أيهما محرف القرآن الكريم أم الكتاب المقدس !؟ [الأرشيف] - الصفحة 11

د/احمد

2011-07-16, 10:30 PM

أول سؤال عجز لكم بص هو في ناس بيبقي عندي عشم فيها انها تفهم بنخليها تشغل عقلها ونفكر مع بعض علشان نوصل للنتائج اللي يفهمها العقلاء

بالنسبة لك مش حينفع معاك ::g::

عارف ليه ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟:s13:

علشان انت ابو جهل pppo

انا احضرت لك الاصدار الثالث والاصدار الرابع النسخة المنقحة موجود علي كل المواقع المسيحية

وكلاهما يضع النص بين قوسين ويعلق بانه نص غير اصلي

بس لما لاقيتك مش فاهم احنا بنتكلم في ايه اصلا قلت اديلك فرصة تقرا وتفهم وترد من غير احراج

لكن واضح انك اجهل من الجهل نفسه pppo

ليييييييييييه :s13:

لانك اصلا لو قرات المقدمة واسيبك تقرا المقدمة علشان برضه اتاكد اذا كنت بتعرف تقرا ولا لا ؟:s13:

http://www.jstor.org/pss/1560403
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فهمت حاجة؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

كبسة جامدة مش كدة؟:j:j:j

طيب وتعليق بروس ميتزجر اييييييييييييييييييييييه؟:s13:

برضه ترجم انت علشان نشوف بس انت ايه ظروفك يلا ادينا بنضحك كله في ال cv بتاعك::z::z

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د/احمد

2011-07-16, 10:34 PM

أول سؤال عجز لكم اضحكتني يا فتي

هو الموضوع انت اللي جاي تسال ولا ترد علي الفضيحة @..

من ساعة ما دخلت ما قلتش جملة واحدة مفيدة وعمال تخرف وتسال وتنكبس

يلا مش مشكلة

وانت عامل ايه دلوقت@..

د/احمد

2011-07-17, 12:34 AM

والاصدار الرابع النسخة المراجعة

UBS 4th Revised Greek New Testament

http://www.bibles.com/images_products/112859_md.jpg

http://d4.e-loader.net/e6dupZURHC.jpg النص موضوع بين قوسين وهو نص غير اصيل ومضاف

زي اخواته والفضيحة بجلاجلpppo

د/احمد

2011-07-17, 02:21 AM

طيب وعلشان اعصابك انا متاكد انك ما فهمتش حاجة

الاصدار الاول من اليوبي اس اليونانية كانت قد حذفت النص الخاص بالمراة الزانية ووضعته في نهاية الانجيل pppo

ولكن في الطبعة الثالثة اعيد الي مكانه ولكن وضع بين قوسين لتوضيح انه نص غير اصلي ولكن وضع نظرا لشعبيته لدي المسيحيين من القدم:i::i::o

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وتوضيح مرة اخري ماذا يعني النص الموضوع بين قوسين ؟:s13:

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يعني نص غير اصلي ومضاف نظرا لشعبيته القديمة ومكانته عند المسيحيين من القدم .....احلي كلام pppo

http://www.amazon.com/Greek-New-Testament-FL-English/dp/3438051133#reader_3438051133

يلا علي الله بس الموضوع ده مياثرش معاك في مناظرتك مع السيل :t::t::t

ارمي ورا ظهرك

الرب يباركك

انسي
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د/احمد

2011-07-17, 05:17 PM

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الحكم النهائي علي القصة

John 7:53 - 8:11 has a footnote saying that the oldest and the best Greek copies do not have these verses

حاشية هذه الايات من يوحنا 7:53 - 8:11 تقول انها لا توجد في اقدم وافضل النسخ اليونانية

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د/احمد

2011-07-17, 07:21 PM

Greek New Testament

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النص موضوع بين قوسين بدءا من يوحنا 7:53الي يوحنا 8:11 (http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/%7Efisher/cgi-bin/gnt?id=040811&xy=)

وكما اوضحنا سابقا معني النص الموضوع بين قوسين
http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~fisher/gnt/ (http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/%7Efisher/gnt/)

SBL Greek New Testament

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ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 8 (SBL Greek New Testament)

ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 8

SBL Greek New Testament (SBLGNT)

12 Πάλιν οὖν αὐτοῖς [a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John8&version=SBLGNT#fgrc-SBLGNT-3226a)]ἐλάλησεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς λέγων· Ἐγώ εἰμι τὸ φῶς τοῦ κόσμου· ὁ ἀκολουθῶν ἐμοὶ οὐ μὴ περιπατήσῃ ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ, ἀλλ’ ἕξει τὸ φῶς τῆς ζωῆς. 13 εἶπον οὖν αὐτῷ οἱ Φαρισαῖοι· Σὺ περὶ σεαυτοῦ μαρτυρεῖς· ἡ μαρτυρία σου οὐκ ἔστιν ἀληθής. 14 ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς· Κἂν ἐγὼ μαρτυρῶ περὶ ἐμαυτοῦ, ἀληθής ἐστιν ἡ μαρτυρία μου, ὅτι οἶδα πόθεν ἦλθον καὶ ποῦ ὑπάγω· ὑμεῖς δὲ οὐκ οἴδατε πόθεν ἔρχομαι [c (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John8&version=SBLGNT#fgrc-SBLGNT-3228c)]ἢ ποῦ ὑπάγω. 15 ὑμεῖς κατὰ τὴν σάρκα κρίνετε, ἐγὼ οὐ κρίνω οὐδένα. 16 καὶ ἐὰν κρίνω δὲ ἐγώ, ἡ κρίσις ἡ ἐμὴ [d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John8&version=SBLGNT#fgrc-SBLGNT-3230d)]ἀληθινή ἐστιν, ὅτι μόνος οὐκ εἰμί, ἀλλ’ ἐγὼ καὶ ὁ πέμψας με πατήρ. 17 καὶ ἐν τῷ νόμῳ δὲ τῷ ὑμετέρῳ γέγραπται ὅτι δύο ἀνθρώπων ἡ μαρτυρία ἀληθής ἐστιν. 18 ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ μαρτυρῶν περὶ ἐμαυτοῦ καὶ μαρτυρεῖ περὶ ἐμοῦ ὁ πέμψας με πατήρ. 19 ἔλεγον οὖν αὐτῷ· Ποῦ ἐστιν ὁ πατήρ σου; ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς· Οὔτε ἐμὲ οἴδατε οὔτε τὸν πατέρα μου· εἰ ἐμὲ ᾔδειτε, καὶ τὸν πατέρα μου [e (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John8&version=SBLGNT#fgrc-SBLGNT-3233e)]ἂν ᾔδειτε. 20 ταῦτα τὰ ῥήματα [f (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John8&version=SBLGNT#fgrc-SBLGNT-3234f)]ἐλάλησεν ἐν τῷ γαζοφυλακίῳ διδάσκων ἐν τῷ ἱερῷ· καὶ οὐδεὶς ἐπίασεν αὐτόν, ὅτι οὔπω ἐληλύθει ἡ ὥρα αὐτοῦ.
21 Εἶπεν οὖν πάλιν [g (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John8&version=SBLGNT#fgrc-SBLGNT-3235g)]αὐτοῖς· Ἐγὼ ὑπάγω καὶ ζητήσετέ με, καὶ ἐν τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ ὑμῶν ἀποθανεῖσθε· ὅπου ἐγὼ ὑπάγω ὑμεῖς οὐ δύνασθε ἐλθεῖν. 22 ἔλεγον οὖν οἱ Ἰουδαῖοι· Μήτι ἀποκτενεῖ ἑαυτὸν ὅτι λέγει· Ὅπου ἐγὼ ὑπάγω ὑμεῖς οὐ δύνασθε ἐλθεῖν; 23 καὶ [h (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John8&version=SBLGNT#fgrc-SBLGNT-3237h)]ἔλεγεν αὐτοῖς· Ὑμεῖς ἐκ τῶν κάτω ἐστέ, ἐγὼ ἐκ τῶν ἄνω εἰμί· ὑμεῖς ἐκ [i (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John8&version=SBLGNT#fgrc-SBLGNT-3237i)]τούτου τοῦ κόσμου ἐστέ, ἐγὼ οὐκ εἰμὶ ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου τούτου. 24 εἶπον οὖν ὑμῖν ὅτι ἀποθανεῖσθε ἐν ταῖς ἁμαρτίαις ὑμῶν· ἐὰν γὰρ μὴ πιστεύσητε ὅτι ἐγώ εἰμι, ἀποθανεῖσθε ἐν ταῖς ἁμαρτίαις ὑμῶν. 25 ἔλεγον οὖν αὐτῷ· Σὺ τίς εἶ; [j (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John8&version=SBLGNT#fgrc-SBLGNT-3239j)]εἶπεν αὐτοῖς ὁ Ἰησοῦς· Τὴν ἀρχὴν [k (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John8&version=SBLGNT#fgrc-SBLGNT-3239k)]ὅ τι καὶ λαλῶ ὑμῖν; 26 πολλὰ ἔχω περὶ ὑμῶν λαλεῖν καὶ κρίνειν· ἀλλ’ ὁ πέμψας με ἀληθής ἐστιν, κἀγὼ ἃ ἤκουσα παρ’ αὐτοῦ ταῦτα [l (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John8&version=SBLGNT#fgrc-SBLGNT-3240l)]λαλῶ εἰς τὸν κόσμον. 27 οὐκ ἔγνωσαν ὅτι τὸν πατέρα αὐτοῖς ἔλεγεν. 28 εἶπεν [m (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John8&version=SBLGNT#fgrc-SBLGNT-3242m)]οὖν ὁ Ἰησοῦς· Ὅταν ὑψώσητε τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου, τότε γνώσεσθε ὅτι ἐγώ εἰμι, καὶ ἀπ’ ἐμαυτοῦ ποιῶ οὐδέν, ἀλλὰ καθὼς ἐδίδαξέν με ὁ [n (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John8&version=SBLGNT#fgrc-SBLGNT-3242n)]πατὴρ ταῦτα λαλῶ. 29 καὶ ὁ πέμψας με μετ’ ἐμοῦ ἐστιν· οὐκ ἀφῆκέν με [o (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John8&version=SBLGNT#fgrc-SBLGNT-3243o)]μόνον, ὅτι ἐγὼ τὰ ἀρεστὰ αὐτῷ ποιῶ πάντοτε. 30 ταῦτα αὐτοῦ λαλοῦντος πολλοὶ ἐπίστευσαν εἰς αὐτόν.

يبدا يوحنا 8 من الاية 12 ولا يوجد من 1 الي 11 pppo

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د/احمد

2011-07-17, 09:45 PM

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English Standard Version

The earliest manuscripts do not include7:53–8:11.]

The Woman Caught in Adultery

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John 8

1but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. 3The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4they said to him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?" 6This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." 8And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10Jesus stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" 11She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more."]]

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ديدات

2011-07-18, 12:16 AM

بارك الله فيك يا دكتور احمد
تعلمت منك كثيرا في هذا الموضوع
اين انت يا بايبل؟
بانتظارك

د/احمد

2011-07-18, 02:49 AM

بارك الله فيك يا دكتور احمد
تعلمت منك كثيرا في هذا الموضوع
اين انت يا بايبل؟
بانتظارك

وفيكم بارك الله اخي الحبيب

بايبل مش حييجي دلوقت

احنا بنبين الموضوع لكل باحث عن الحقيقة

بالطبع اشكر اخى الحبيب الدكتور احمد على إثرائه للموضوع بهذا الكم الهائل من الاثباتات على عدم اصالة نص يوحنا 7-51/8-12 .

اخي وحبيبي الباشمهندس احمد انا باشكر بايبل اللي خلاك تتواجد معانا يا باشمهندس ما تحرمناش منك

بلبل شكله خايف يدخل وعامل زائر يا خسارة طيب حنكمل ضحك ازاى:s13:

اخي الحبيب سمير هو كده فعلا بس

ولا بلاش

و إيه يا دكتور أحمد ده !!!! من يوم ما غيرت التوقيع بتاعك و أنت بقيت شرس قوى:15_4_132:

تلاميذك يا باشمهندس

ما احنا طول عمرنا شرسين انت نسيت ولا ايه؟

بس خف ايدك عن مخابيل تلتات شويه ده مخدوع والله ومضحوك عليه

الله يكرمك يا استاذ طارق احنا عملنا اللي علينا وهو حر

د/احمد

2011-07-18, 03:11 AM

Greek New Testament, 2nd Edition

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John 8

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