jesus is not God in the bible

[محبة الرحمن]

God said in the Holy Quran

Surah 2
285. The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."


Jesus said
John 5 - New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...05&version=NIV
41"I do not accept praise from men, 42but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. 44How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only God ?

Matthew 15 -New International Version

9They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"

Mark 7 -New International Version
7They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men

to be continued

[محبة الرحمن]

My fellow Christians you have obeyed the teachings of Paul and forgot the teachings of Christ

You have obeyed the one who said about himself the following


1 Corinthians 9-New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+9&version=NIV


19Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law

You listen to the one who admitted that he’s a liar


Romans 3 - New American Standard Bible
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...3&version=NASB

7But if through my lie the truth of God abounded to His glory, why am I also still being judged as a sinner?



Why don’t you listen to Jesus who said


John 8 -New International Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+8&version=NIV

"The only Father we have is God himself."

to be continued

[محبة الرحمن]

Now, let us look at John 4:34

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...4&version=NASB
34Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to accomplish His work

Here we see clearly that Jesus told his followers that GOD is higher than him, and Jesus can only do things within Jehovah's will. Also Jesus said that his mission is to finish the work of Jehovah that was assigned to Jesus peace be upon him.

Let us look at John 5:30
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NASB
30" I can do nothing on My own initiative As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

Here we see two things in this verse: First, Jesus recognized, admitted and preached to his followers that his is nothing special nor have any power in him. Second, Jesus does nothing of his own will; he only does the will of GOD who sent him and who inspires him.


Let us look at John 5:31
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NASB
31"If I alone testify about Myself, My testimony is not true.
32"There is another who testifies of Me, and I know that the testimony which He gives about Me is true.

Here we also see that Jesus admits and preaches to his followers that he is not powerful. The only powerful is GOD, his GOD


to be continued

[محبة الرحمن]

Luke 4: 31-37 The demons know who Jesus is and tremble. Mohamed , they have not been given grace as mankind has. The demons are already assigned a place of everlasting punishment for offenses against the Holy One. Here is what a demon said to Jesus:

This claim could never be a prove that Jesus is a God because many of Allah Almighty's Messengers performed miracles to prove to their people that they were Truthful and were indeed sent by Allah Almighty. But however, these wonderful Miracles died when their Prophets' died. They are not useful for us today.

Moreover lets see Who in the bible did those miracles too

Mark 3-New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...03&version=NIV
14He appointed twelve—designating them apostles that they might be with him and that he might send them out to preach 15and to have authority to drive out demons.
So as we can see that also the Disciples of Jesus also did that
In addition Jesus promised every one who have faith will do what he did and even greater miracles


John 14 New International Version
12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these

So do you have Faith ??
Can you do some miracles to prove to us that the bible is from God ??


Moreover lets see what Jesus said
Matthew 17 -New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...17&version=NIV
19Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked, "Why couldn't we drive it out?"

20He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."

Wow if you have a faith as small as a mustard seed you can do great miracles


الرد عليهم يتبع و لم ينتهي أكمله لاحقاً بعون الله

[محبة الرحمن]

يتبع الرد على ما آراد الأخ محمد

I know that some Luke 4: 31-37 The demons know who Jesus is and tremble. Mohamed , they have not been given grace as mankind has. The demons are already assigned a place of everlasting punishment for offenses against the Holy One. Here is what a demon said to Jesus:

Luke 4:31 Then He went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and was teaching them on the ‎... مشاهدة المزيد‎Sabbaths. 32 And they were astonished at His teaching, for His word was with authority. 33kNow in the synagogue there was a man who had a spirit of an unclean demon. And he cried out with a loud voice, 34 saying, “Let us alone! What have we to do with You, Jesus of Nazareth? Did You come to destroy us? lI know who You are— the Holy One of God!”

35 But Jesus rebuked him, saying, “Be quiet, and come out of him!” And when the demon had thrown him in their midst, it came out of him and did not hurt him. 36 Then they were all amazed and spoke among themselves, saying, “What a word this is! For with authority and power He commands the unclean spirits, and they come out.” 37 And the report about Him went out into every place in the su

Do you think that if Satan called Jesus "The Holy One of God" that means Satan knew Jesus was divine. .

This is a very lame argument on the Christian's part. First of all, First of all, Luke 4:31- 36 says that the devil called Jesus "The Holy One of GOD". So how can Jesus be God of God?
Holy one means a "saint"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_d...78380-320.html
It could also be referring to a messenger. For example, look at

Daniel 4:23
23 "You, O king, saw a messenger, a holy one, coming down from heaven and saying, 'Cut down the tree and destroy it, but leave the stump, bound with iron and bronze, in the grass of the field, while its roots remain in the ground. Let him be drenched with the dew of heaven; let him live like the wild animals, until seven times pass by for him.'

So when Satan called Jesus "The Holy One of God", it most likely means that he just called Jesus a messenger of God. As a Muslim I completely agree with this statement.
Luke 4: 31-37 does not prove Jesus' divinity, it actually goes against it and proves that Jesus is, was and never will be God

يتبع لاحقاً بإذن الله

[محبة الرحمن]

So if you are going to quote the Bible to prove a point, please do it in con####, Mohamed (peace be upon him). Jesus also said in this passage: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many cas You have given Him. John 17: 1,2

it seems that you're the one who is quoting from the bible what you want and even not completing the sentence
so I'll put the whole paragraph for you

John 17:1-3
Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent


So we once again see the same thing again, the father has given him power over flesh, over men, so Jesus giving authority to men is exercising the power and blessings that God has given to him. Taking a look at those verses also with a shadow of a doubt proves Jesus is a prophet, and his true message, which is to know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. In other words his mission was to show and prove THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND JESUS IS HIS MESSENGER.

لي عودة مساءاً إن أحيانا الله لاستكمال الرد

[محمد زيدان]

أشكرك أختى محبة الرحمن
وأشكرك شكرا جزيلا عظيما...
فلقد سقيتينى من بعد ظمأى لتلك الردود...
فالمشكلة ليست عندى...
بل عند المسلمين الجدد الذين يروا تلك المناقشة
وقد نقلت موضوعك كلها هناك وعرضته على مسلمين جدد ونصارى الغرب
وهناك بقية ردود سأعرضها بإذن الله عليكى
وأشكر سعة صدرك وتحملك
^_^
جزاكى الله خيرا

[محبة الرحمن]

How can we know Jesus, Mohamed (peace be upon him), to have eternal life? The Bible says here that Jesus prayed not only for His disciples, but for those who would believe on Him through their Word. He says thererfore the wolrd hated them.(They were martyred and persecuted.)

Nice try and I’ll judge you by your own words as your bible say
Luke 19 :22
'I will judge you by your own words

You said that Jesus prayed

Jesus prayed not only for His disciples

So to whom your God was praying ???


يتبع الرد على الأخ

[محبة الرحمن]

How can we know Jesus, Mohamed(peace be upon him), to have eternal life? The Bible says here that Jesus prayed not only for His disciples, but for those who would believe on Him through their Word. He says thererfore the wolrd hated them.(They were martyred and persecuted.)

lets discuss this all over again
I know that you Christians believe that the only way a person can get saved and go to Heaven is to believe and accept Jesus as his Lord and Savior who died for him on the cross to purify him from his sins. Anyone who doesn't believe in this would not be saved.

so let us discuss what the bile say about that

and my question will be what must I do to inherit eternal life?

Jesus said: loving GOD Almighty so much and being nice to your neighbors will cause you to have eternal life:
Luke 10
25. On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
26. "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
27. He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "
28. "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
Notice that the man's question was straight forward

No other question can be more straight forward than this. Notice how Jesus answered this straight forward question: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart......and love your neighbor as yourself......Do this and you will live."
Notice that Jesus didn't talk about any trinity-lie concept, nor did he say to the man that he must accept Jesus as a mediator between him and GOD Almighty to win Eternal Life. Jesus was pretty clear and straight forward here: LOVE GOD ALMIGHTY AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS YOURSELF. That is simply all there is to it to win eternal life in Jesus' standards.

It certainly wasn't necessary for the man who asked the question to believe in trinity in order for him to be saved. Jesus assured him Paradise if he believed otherwise


يتبع الرد على الأخ

[محبة الرحمن]

Here is another incident where Jesus was asked the same exact question by another person:

Luke 18
18. A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
19. "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
20. You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.' "
21. "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.
22. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
23. When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth.
24. Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!
25. Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
26. Those who heard this asked, "Who then can be saved?"
27. Jesus replied, "What is impossible with men is possible with God."
28. Peter said to him, "We have left all we had to follow you!"
29. "I tell you the truth," Jesus said to them, "no one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God
30. will fail to receive many times as much in this age and, in the age to come, eternal life."

Again, we see in Luke 18:18 above, the same exact question was asked to Jesus for the second time on a different occasion


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