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[COLOR=#000080][SIZE=5][FONT=times new roman]We talked earlier in my presentation about that Christ said to his disciples: Father and your Father, my God and your God ... Guest Esquire's reply was:




A good point that we agree that Christ did not ask one of worship, this is a good start ...You think that is
what makes Christ is equal to God is his actions and his miracles, well, we can if we discuss and analyze, as I said all that Christ said and done to get together at the truth.


First: the forgiveness of sins:


(KJV) (Leviticus) (Lv-4-35) (And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat of the lamb is taken away from the sacrifice of the peace offerings; and the priest shall burn them upon the altar , according to the offerings made by fire unto the LORD: and the priest shall make an atonement for his sin that he hath committed, and it shall be forgiven him.)


(KJV) (Numbers) (Nm-15-25) (And the priest shall make an atonement for all the congregation of the children of Israel, and it shall be forgiven them; for it is ignorance: and they shall bring their offering, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD, and their sin offering before the LORD, for their ignorance :)


Are priests also because they gods forgive sins?


(KJV) (Isaiah) (Is-33-24) (And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity.)

Did the Prophet Isaiah is also the God because he forgave sins?!

How is Jesus forgives sins himself and he himself says in


(KJV)(Matthew)(Mt-6-12)(And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.)

And also at the time of the non-real crucifixion called the Jews for forgiveness, saying:

(KJV)(Luke)(Lk-23-34)(Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.)

And the question that must be asked: Do you pray Christ himself (if indeed God) in order to forgive the Jews for their sins.

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I do not think Christ is of God just based on his miracles and the forgiveness of sins alone. There are also the prophecies of the Old Testament, which Jesus fulfilled, these can not be ignored.

Surely He took up our infirmities
and carried our sorrows,
yet we considered Him stricken by God,
smitten by Him, and afflicted.
But He was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him,
and by His wounds we were healed.
We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. (Isaiah 53:4-6)

This from the Old Testament, who do you think it refers to?

No, priests nor prophets can not forgive sins. Only God alone can forgive sins. I could say to someone who transgressed against me.."I forgive you", that is in my power to do so. That does not make me God!!! Only God can choose to forgive the person who transgressed against me. However if I choose to forgive them in my lifetime on earth, it does not take the sin they committed against me. They can only seek forgiveness from God.

I as most Christians direct our prayers to God, on the instruction of Christ. Jesus Christ has shown us the path to Gods grace, love and mercy and its through him we are saved. :)